I wanted to give a bit of a take on todays catharsis on SLF. I definitely think there were some good SD rebuttals and some explicit Ladies of SLF posts to grant a bit of a follow-up that I could not do in the AM (=US AM) due tohaving to make a living.

A. Is Sugaring sex work? I agree with many SLF SDs posts it does not matter; it is a matter of semantics. Being a woman is sex workthe rest is shades of gray. Branches of the same tree, different kinds of fruit and different kinds of books or movies. Bible is a book. Ulysses is a book. The Mister is a book. What I do resent, is SLFs ..and ergo – they are the same. They are not. We all know it.

B. Now, once we agreed on they are not the same – lets also agree to compare averages. Once you are close to the gray border zone yes, things can look similar.

C. I am not against escorts. I do not look down on escorts. Moreover, no one on SLF would ever dare saying anything negative as to lumping together escorting and sugaring it will get you banned on SLF in a NYC second. Their Rule against promoting escorting lifestyle is a joke. It gets promoted there every day.

D. What I am against, is escorts posing on SLF as Sugar Babies and giving their opinion as such. It is like getting an opinion on Uber from a NYC cabbie who pretends to drive for Uber.

E. Please be aware of Ladies of SLF lies. These are

Lie 1. You only get exclusivity when you pay for it. Major BS1 Number 1. No, that is not true. Many SB will be just that single and exclusive to you. While there is no guarantee and no explicit agreement very often she does not have anyone, but you. It issituational. Enjoy it.

Lie 2. The SB does not find you attractive except for $$$ and would much better prefer her peer because she views him as a potential LTR and a husband. Major BS Number 2. Many young women do not want to play this game; they do not want the commitment or LTR. They very much enjoy getting both your dollars and your bonking (in that order). They might not be looking at their peers as sexual partners at all at the moment.

Lie 3. Escorts get tons more money than SBs. SBs are just naïve young women who sell themselves for nothing. Major BS Number 3. Just read reddit escort threads. Many of them are struggling to get anything at all. And while it is true that, as escorts, a few chosen ones are making a killing, most have to go through 50-some random hookups to make ends meet.

I found out there is a special tonight at 8pm central on A&E and part of it is going to talk about sugaring. I didnt know if anyone here would be interested in watching.

SDs, whats the oldest you would date if a woman was attractive and fit? It seems like the bowl is mostly 30 and under, but does anyone pay for dates above that?

I think it is an interesting SLF thread and I would like to offer my take

A. Who goes first. If the POT wants to know what the allowance will be before M&G (so she does not waste time), I always tell her, she is welcome to tell me a number she is happy with. If she wants to know my number, I will tell her at the M&G. If we do go to the M&G, I am fine to be the first. I will tell her either there, at the M&G, or text her shortly after.

B. Negotiate or not. I always presume the POT names the number higher than what she will be willing to accept. So I am not shy at all to say that her XXXX XXXX number is rather tall, but I will do XXXX. More often than not, she would say yes to XXXX. If she says Can we do XXXX.5? I almost always will agree.

C. I always marvel at the SLF female posters who say things along the lines of

A true SD shouldnt care less if you want 500 or 750ppm if you guys really hit it off. Whats 250 extra a date?

The difference between 750 and 500is not the question of what a SD can afford, but what he is willing to pay. Most of high-income people can afford a cup of coffee for $20; it does not mean we are willing to pay a 20 for it. And I am sure, women who say the above will make a huge fuss at a mall if the poor, overworked and distracted, salesperson forgets to subtract a 5% discount on her $25 dollar skirt

And, by the by, if she really hit it off oh so well with meshouldnt she be happy with less?

Will my college administrators see this email and could I get in trouble for it? Debating whether or not to sign up for SA with my college email

Welcome to the Sugar Dating Forum! if you are enjoying or looking for genuine Sugar Dating experience.

What makes you a genuine Sugar Daddy or Sugar Mommy suitable for this forum?

You can afford to provide the financial help that a Sugar Baby needs, on a consistent basis;

You care about the well-being of the Sugar Baby;

You are not looking for rapid turn-over of Sugar Babies, despite your financial means. You are not looking for sex service providers as a John would.

What makes you a genuine Sugar Baby (male or female) suitable for this forum?

You are treating the liaison as a dating relationship, not looking for a client;

You care about the well-being of the Sugar Daddy / Sugar Mommy;

You are not aggregating resources from multiple Sugar Daddies or Sugar Mommies.

Prostitution is likely to get higher pay in a shorter time period, especially a high turn-over prostitute operating on volume;

For a candidate who is not particularly pretty or doesnt have the personality for keeping a dating partner, prostitution is much easier;

STD risk. The condom is not a full protection. Condoms only reduce some viral STDs by a certain percentage, often under 50%; such as 10-30% for Herpes. That means, for Herpes, having sex with 3 different partners with condoms is more risky than not using condom with 2 partners in the same given time period. High turn-over defeats any theoretical protection provided by condoms very quickly;

Prostitution has a short career span, and little advancement potential. Peoples subjective happiness is dependent on their current experience compared to previous experience. That means a career path that has high pay at the beginning and lower pay later will only result in unhappiness;

Probably due to the same current vs. past comparison above, studies show that womens pair-bonding potential deteriorate rapidly as their partner count increase. Women seem to have far better memory of their past partners than men do.

Most women prefer entering into sexual relationships with men they admire. Its very hard for a woman to admire any one of the multiple men to whom she is the nexus in a poly relationship. Prostitution is a form of poly relationship.

Most women eventually will find their children to be far more important and far more happiness-inducing (due to oxytocin) than their friends, sex partners, or jobs. Children require a lot of resources and attention from parents; extensive help and support is necessary when raising children. Unless rich grand-parents are already lined up, a male partner is usually the source of such help and support. So practicing the skills for dating and keeping a productive supportive partner is a helpful for a womans eventual happiness when she is ready to have children. Since humanity figured out that only one sperm fertilize one egg at the end of matriarchal epoch, juggling multiple men would only lead to all of them leaving when she gets pregnant, except for one, the father of the child; his lack of competence may well be the reason why juggling was necessary to begin with. So indulging in poly relationship with multiple men is potentially disastrous for a young woman. For older women who are already done with having children, poly is less of a problem except for disease risks.

I wanted to give a bit of a take on todays catharsis on SLF. I definitely think there were some good SD rebuttals and some explicit Ladies of SLF posts to grant a bit of a follow-up that I could not do in the AM (=US AM) due tohaving to make a living.

A. Is Sugaring sex work? I agree with many SLF SDs posts it does not matter; it is a matter of semantics. Being a woman is sex workthe rest is shades of gray. Branches of the same tree, different kinds of fruit and different kinds of books or movies. Bible is a book. Ulysses is a book. The Mister is a book. What I do resent, is SLFs ..and ergo – they are the same. They are not. We all know it.

B. Now, once we agreed on they are not the same – lets also agree to compare averages. Once you are close to the gray border zone yes, things can look similar.

C. I am not against escorts. I do not look down on escorts. Moreover, no one on SLF would ever dare saying anything negative as to lumping together escorting and sugaring it will get you banned on SLF in a NYC second. Their Rule against promoting escorting lifestyle is a joke. It gets promoted there every day.

D. What I am against, is escorts posing on SLF as Sugar Babies and giving their opinion as such. It is like getting an opinion on Uber from a NYC cabbie who pretends to drive for Uber.

E. Please be aware of Ladies of SLF lies. These are

Lie 1. You only get exclusivity when you pay for it. Major BS1 Number 1. No, that is not true. Many SB will be just that single and exclusive to you. While there is no guarantee and no explicit agreement very often she does not have anyone, but you. It issituational. Enjoy it.

Lie 2. The SB does not find you attractive except for $$$ and would much better prefer her peer because she views him as a potential LTR and a husband. Major BS Number 2. Many young women do not want to play this game; they do not want the commitment or LTR. They very much enjoy getting both your dollars and your bonking (in that order). They might not be looking at their peers as sexual partners at all at the moment.

Lie 3. Escorts get tons more money than SBs. SBs are just naïve young women who sell themselves for nothing. Major BS Number 3. Just read reddit escort threads. Many of them are struggling to get anything at all. And while it is true that, as escorts, a few chosen ones are making a killing, most have to go through 50-some random hookups to make ends meet.

If you need any more proof, that the vast majority of SLF female posters are escorts…I would never have it.

If you are attractive enough, then even if he suspects you might be an escort, most men would still engage, even if just once and well protected with 100 layers of protection, then never calling you again. (Most men is not the same as the majority of real SDs; real SDs may not want to engage prostitutes at all, but most male accounts on SA are not real SDs; statistically most real SDs already have SBs in their lives, so among all the ones still searching on SA most men far out-number real SDs; if you keep getting the dissing, then you are not even up to the most men standards for paid one-night-stands.)

If you are extraordinarily attractive, youd be getting offers from men to buy you out / buy out your business: how much would cost per month for you to stop escorting, so he can have you exclusively (not that wed recommend any man doing that, but statistically if a girl is sufficiently attractive, she ought to be attracting white knight fools offering that to a girl who is already explicitly an escort).

If you repeatedly have to deal with potential clients calling you escort and not engaging you, even when you are pretending not to be an escort (i.e. claiming escort in another personality but SB in this personality, having to resort to personality disorder to run the business), then its a clear sign that you are unattractive and your career as an escort/sex-worker is near the end.

The customer is always right. In the eyes of the would-be patron, the difference between an SB vs. an escort is in whether he is willing to invest in you. No amount of lying or lying to yourself is going to change the real reason why he doesnt want to invest in you. The line we draw here between SB vs. escort is the most clear and logical one: if the girl is juggling guys then she is an escort; its only a matter of time before the guys figure it out and all wanting the lowest possible price in the sharing, if they want to share you at all.

Hey guys, so i met a woman on Seeking Arrangments. She says she lives in New York. And seems to want to meet me in person. And hasnt said anything about aending me money before meeting which is a good sign. Since i have encountered many scams on that app i just ask them if they are going to expect me to send them any bank or bank app log in info. Or ask me to send them a pic of my ID just to send me a check. Which i would say no to all. She said she has no reason to ask for my bank stuff. And didnt say she was wanting a pic of my ID.

She wants me to fly out to her 2 weekends a month. And will pay me $300 a week. And take care of any debt and flight fare. She even saod i could bring my dog when i fly up. And she wants to pay me through check. Which i could just take to a King Soopers and cash so it wont have anything to do with my bank.

So far she has been the only one who seems legit so far….but i wanted to make sure im not missing anything. Do you guys think she could be a scam or no?

Version A. Dear Monica. I had some unexpected major changes in my financial situation. They will prevent me to continue with our arrangement. This has nothing to do with you or my feelings towards you; these remain unchanged. However, given the nature of our arrangement, I will not be able to continue it in its current form. Please forgive me. Your Chandler.

Version B. Dear Rachel. Unfortunately, I feel like the spark is gone from our arrangement. I think it might be in our best interests to move on. I had great time and will always think of you fondly. Your Ross.

Version C. Phoebe, look. Please dont be mad but I just do not feel like it is working no more. Sorry, Joey.

2. Ghosting. As defined not replying to texts. Eventually my friend will get the message.

3. Fading. Diligently replying to texts, polite and courteous, but always or at least, almost always, – evading the subject of meeting up. Greatly reducing the number of dates. Again, that should work at some point.

While these above may sound cold and calculating, in the end it does not matter what people say – it is what they do. I am sure Ladies of SLF will recommend giving the dumpee half a year of allowance till she can find someone new. Unfortunately I do not think this is a viable option. I am not Google or JP Morgan – I do not have unlimited resources, and I would rather put this money into my new relationship.

Do not get me wrong. I am not as heartless an SOB as the above may sound and, in my business incarnation, I always feel awful firing people who have done nothing wrongbut my directions from the top are to reduce staff 20%. Still, I think that sugar is the life we chosen (C), and everyone should know the score. All good things come to an end.

I found out there is a special tonight at 8pm central on A&E and part of it is going to talk about sugaring. I didnt know if anyone here would be interested in watching.

This is a forum for real sugar daddies and sugar babies, legit sugar daddies and sugar babies, enjoying or looking for genuine sugar dating relationships.